I must have missed that one.

Just one example;

update...

Rich, this is gold. This should be on a post-it right next to the hybrid statement. My compliments on concisely stating a pure truth that took me 20 years in herps to understand.

Thank you.

Rich

Just curious, possible to have a dual citizenship and live in HobbyLand and Businessville ? As far as frogs are concerned that is. Since a lot of these 'frog businesses' are born out of the love and passion for the hobby and frogs, I'd imagine that few dedicated hobbyists sell frogs as a business. Or do you think these are mutually exclusive ?

I do agree... you can't go wrong by buying from an educated hobbyist.

I want to point ou that not all kids are the same. I bred my ball pythons for the first time when I was nine. Bred my first tarantulas when I was 12, emperor scorpions at 13. I have had herps all my life, and spent all my money ( earned through work- no allowance) on them and their cages. I spent hours and hours and hours in the library doing research, and feel very confident that I could have raised darts just fine back then if I had had access to the quality captive bred animals we have accessible today. It's not fair to assume all kids are undereducated on the needs of their prospective pets, but a few questions before a sale goes a long way towards weeding out hose that know from those that dont

Yes I am sure it is possible, and I am sure many breeders out there are in a grey area between the two; not every breeder wants to use bare bones setups to 'farm' frogs in.

Hi, whoever you are,
It's also not fair or intelligent to assume that all children are at the same monetary level , education, experience, or husbandry level , ect. , ect. that an 'average' adult would be at. 'All things equal' goes a long way. There are reasons we have laws to protect children, and people who prey on children as an easy target are the lowest of the low. As the news has pointed out recently...
I don't think anyone mentioned once here that "all kids are undereducated on the needs of thier (their) prospective pets".

In fact,

"In the most recent cases I am talking about children under the legal driving age who are not ready to own darts , yet are sold them without question.
Ethically I don't care if you are a 100 year old manchild and want darts but not ready, I'm not selling. "

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My main question in this thread .
How does the advanced darter view other advanced darters selling anything to anybody. No questions asked? Throwing children into the mix should cement the feeling."



" Just so people don't keep bringing up the fact that there are wunderkind out there.
I personally have learned more dart info via phone conversations from a genius by the name of Alexander S. than from any adult, hands down. Alexander was 15 when I first started learning from him. Don't think I'm ignorant to the fact of such wunderkind.

Once again, I'm talking about those advanced breeders who sell to children who are not ready for darts, and ask zero questions of anybody, other than "how will you be paying for this?""






Need I keep quoting so we are once again on the same page?


Rich

Ok. I definitely see your point. Noone ever sold me anything when I was young without making damn sure I knew what I was doing. And I would never just hand off some of my cb frogs to a kid without making sure I asked a lot of questions.

I agree that a few questions should be asked. You should be able to tell pretty quickly if somebody is ready to be keeping frogs or not. I'm glad you are pointing out that not all kids fall into that category. My son is well equipped with the knowledge it takes to keep darts. In fact, he usually notices breeding behavior before me, finds the first eggs before me, and spots the first pumilio and Escudo froglet before me!
Frogface mentioned a child on DB who researched for a couple years before getting his first frogs. I'm pretty sure I know who that is. His heart was set on thumbnails and he researched them very thoroughly, proving his knowledge through his posts to others. By the time he got his first frogs, I fully supported his choice of Varadero for his first frogs. His frogs are thriving and breeding. He is anxiously awaiting his first to morph out.
Doug