Ive been doing some thinking as of late, wondering about where some of my frogs actually came from? A few years ago I did a trade with Sean Stewart. . .pretty much I gave him a ton of azureus, and he gave me some yellow backs, and some matecho. So naturally Id like to label them as Stewart line, but if he has my azureus and is selling them wouldn't someone who bought them from him think they were his line, when they were actually Aaronsfrogfarm??
I've herd through the grapevine that Schwinn has traded a number of his yellowbacks to Sean as well, and the ones I have look incredibly similar to Schwinnn's breeders. Im not sure what I'm trying to get out of this Thread, just curious to what others have to say here.
I also wonder about the number of frogs I've sold wholesale...probably in the numbers of 250-300 frogs to numbers Breeders in ohio That I'm sure are breeding for people and giving the lineage title of Something that its not... I just wonder how often incorrect lines are given to frogs.
BTW if you didn't already know this is RedeyeTroyfrog from DB...Hellllloooooooo everybody
I've been thinking about this post and agree that the "lines" are a mess. Until people are willing to say that they picked up a group of frogs that were wholesaled to them, not much will change. I don't have an issue with wholesaling, but the person selling them should say what lineage they are.
Yeppers that is the problem, unfortunately we have to either take someone's word for it or play detective and get phone numbers or e mail addresses of the person(s) where the frogs came from. Even then it is someone's word....
Just my .02
Yeah I think when next time I post a classified, Im just gonna say which breeder i got the original breeder frogs from but not sure on the actual line, to avoid any future confusion. To be quite honest, I have no idea what line my Saul Yellowbacks, Matecho, are I just know I received them from Stewart, One of my BYH I got from Richard Lynch who got a bunch of BYH from...Im not sure maybe Darren? My Azureus were from Aaron, One Citronella from Aaron, the other was from Richard who acquired that from Erick .G I believe Fine Spots Leucs are from Kyle, All that being said I really have no clue what the actual "core" blood lines are
Don't guess, ask. Simple.
And then , here's the important part, don't lie about the situation.
There are plenty of posts explaining what a line is. We need to be able to trust people we get our frogs from. If you have issues with being able to be trusted and tell the truth , then you are adding to the mess our hobby is becoming.
Trust .
Also, check out the hybrid/mixed locale message upper left too Troy.
Rich,
I would ask Sean what my line of frogs were but I have a feeling he simply won't remember because it was a few years back, and the number of frogs he has might cause him to draw a blank.
I'm not guessing or mislabeling anything?? I just said " I'M NOT SURE" Which i feel is a lot better then "guessing" and giving information to someone that may turn out to be completely incorrect. Myself, I'm not that worried bout the lines I own, I clearly see that they are Matecho, Saul Yellowback, and BYH( Citronella, Giant Orange, Green Sip etc.) . If someone buying frogs from me, asked what line they were? I'd tell them I'm not sure, but I got them from _______(enter name here) , feel free to contact them and use my name as much as u feel is necessary to find what line they are from.
Rich you still not really answering any of the questions that I a was curious about. How often do you think that lines are misrepresented? As a percentage, like 30% misrepresented lines, or whatever? Im just kinda curious. I'm sure when Sean Stewart sells Azureus, He doesn't sell them as unknown line? He just sells them as his Azureus, but he got close to 40 Azureus from me! There are three very respected breeders that Ive sold a large number of frogs too. Im sure I'm not the only one...?
Yes, I did notice the little message in the upper left corner, Though I have no idea why your bringing that up to me in THIS thread, but I do agree with it...I never sold any crosses( I recieved many offers, but gave them to my parents). I also never bought a hybrid, all of my Animals I breed are true morphs. Currently just azureus, yellow back, matecho, brazilian yellow head, and Giant Orange/Regina)
BTW Nice pike, or is that a Skie? What is that, a 45" ? I got a 45" Muskie this summer, not my biggest but it was a nice fish!
There are people who know their frogs' lines and can and will trace them back to the import date, and those who can not and will not.
Deal with those who can trace their frogs back to import dates when dealing with questionable frogs and these problems don't arise. It's often too late , especially when dealing with flippers, years down the line to try to back track. Questions should be asked BEFORE buying.
100% of line labels which can not be traced back to imports are potentially incorrectly labeled.
Yes I agree with you but also, does it make them more of a respectable breeder if they have traced the lines back to the original import date? If this is indeed true that it is more respectable. . . then I kinda feel this is where a lot of the mess originated from in the first place, by people making up that their frogs are a certain Line when intact, they are not. Im sure if I really wanted to, I could trace all of mine back, but what's the point I know what they are, my Adults and froglets are all healthy and beautiful. At least in my case, this is what matters. I don't have any WC, F2, F1 etc. in my collection. In result as long as I have the correct label of the morph on my frog. I don't see where a problem could arise.
Give me a percentage.... In the hobby, how many breeders have traced their animals back to the original Import?
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