I am brand new, just now starting to build my first viv for Darts.
I have been seeing things like schwinn line. nabors line, etc.. what does that mean?
is that the breeder of the frog , or is it some hybrid ?

its simply a designation of a particular import (for instance) of frog. these terms are used so that frogs considered to be from roughly the same locale are not mixed since many lack specific data.

make sense?

james

And to be more specific, it should mean Bill actually was the importer and that line is to others' unrelated to actually be a separate line. In other words, if Joe and Jill each buy CB frogs from Hans in Germany , and they came in on the same shipment and eventually both produce frogs from Hans' German line, Joe and Jill do not have separate or their own lines, they have Hans' line.
Just because I (anybody) breed the frogs or produce them does not mean I have my own line.

But rich dont you reserve the line as you were the one to bring in most of your frogs(pumilio and grannies)? or am i assuming something i shouldnt?

some things like bill's azureus i would consider his line since they are an amalgamation of 7 different lines which he procured in the early years.

however, i think many people track back the frogs as best they can and use that person's name as a designation since others with progeny of that particular person's stock can then use that information as the basis of establishing breeding pairs, trios, etc. i personally dont take issue with this even though it isnt a line in the true sense of the term.

james

thank yall, this seems like a very helpful site

I don't know what "reserve the line" means.
Here's yet another easy way to understand what a 'line' is. If I have the founding stock of unrelated blood from others in the hobby, or not in the hobby, simply unrelated, that is a line.
Founding stock is key. Lines have nothing to do with the one who bred such and such.

Rich

I'd hold back what I call them until I know exactly what Bill decided to mix. Could be a good thing, if they were all one breeding population, could be a bad thing, if they were not one breeding population (which is more likely). I'm guessing nobody knows for sure. I'd not call them a line per se though, mixing does not a line make.


Semantics are at times everything, at times nothing more than an excuse to hang out and argue because one's bored. In this case I think semantics are very important.
"The best they can" is not often employed though. "Produced by" is much more accurate than a wild guess at person 'x' having actually imported frogs and managed them in the correct manor. If Bill had three true unrelated lines of Azureus and four other 'lines' all related, how does one manage the amalgamated "Bill's line" from the three other "Bill's lines"? Mix? I'd really much rather know who all these lines Bill got his Azureus from were really attributed to, as opposed to mix away. Amalgamation is synonymous with mix.

A line is the founding blood from an import. I don't care who we give credit to (importer or exporter or person they are flipped to immediately, or the only person to have remaining stock from said founding stock) , but the semantics are important . Unrelated ( or high probability or high degree of unrelatedness) blood from other's in-hobby, or other-wise.


Rich